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Church leaders dispute that the group was founded in the 1970s, maintaining that a man named J. R. " Bob " Dobbs founded the group in 1953.

They assert that he telepathically contacted Drummond in 1972, before meeting him in person the next year, and that Drummond persuaded Ivan Stang to join shortly afterwards.

Stang describes himself as the " sacred scribe " of Dobbs and a " professional maven of weirdness ".