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After the harsh meeting with Bell and other church leaders, and near the end of Tyndale's time at Little Sodbury, John Foxe describes an argument with a " learned " but " blasphemous " clergyman, who had asserted to Tyndale that, " We had better be without God's laws than the Pope's.
" Tyndale responded: " I defy the Pope, and all his laws ; and if God spares my life, ere many years, I will cause the boy that driveth the plow to know more of the Scriptures than thou dost!

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